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In one of my classes at the prestigious Arizona State University, more commonly known as the Harvard of the west. We debated whether or not the conquest and slaughter of Melos was right or wrong. Of course it is morally wrong, killing and war largely is.

I thought it was an entirely pointless exercise. Who cares whether or not Athens was right to do something or had the right.

The point was the Athenian empire was dying and they were lashing out more violently in an attempt to control it and be perceived as strong ie the failed Sicilian expedition.

Moreover understanding thucydides largely inserted himself into most dialogues as he wasn’t present. And he certainly wasn’t present for Melos, that dialogue I believe is likely the most fabricated dialogue in his history because the point of it was like you said to highlight the declining morality and the last agonal breaths of a dying empire.

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IR usually fails to point out the long Greek tradition of irony in their literature. Just as Oedipus’s lineage was not a surprise to the audience of Sophocles, the fall of Athens wasn’t a surprise to Thucydides’s readers. The inclusion is clearly intended to highlight the self-defeated and short-sighted immorality of Athens after the death of Pericles.

This also feeds into my long-held belief that the greatest trick the Realists ever pulled was naming their theory Realism, since it tends to ignore many of the most powerful factors of policy in the real world.

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